Some students cannot be taught

Child should be expelled from school! NOT TEACHABLE


Written by youngmami09 on May 6th, 2016, 8:12 am

Hello my dears,

I'm totally at the end. We are very concerned about our son. He is in the 1st grade of a special needs school and I've had to go in for discussions with parents several times. Now the school wants to expel him because he is classified as not teachable. He shows behavior as a child. Lays down under the table when something doesn't suit him, doesn't listen, throws things, is cheeky and disrespectful to teachers, argues, is unreasonable, doesn't get along in a group, doesn't quite keep up with class, ... I don't know What I should do. On Monday I have to go in for the interview, there should be decided how to proceed. Are there other school alternatives? HE is difficult at home too, but not so extreme. What should we do now? I am totally exhausted :-(

Many greetings

 

Re: child should be expelled from school! NOT TEACHABLE

answer frommama of joshua on the tab on May 6th, 2016, 10:46 am

And where should he then be schooled?
I always thought that the special school was intended for children like this, among other things.
Poor button :-(

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Re: child should be expelled from school! NOT TEACHABLE

answer fromMakri on May 6th, 2016, 11:16 am

Do you have integration helpers / school attendants? That would certainly be a help for him and a relief for the whole class. Get support from the youth welfare office. A stay in a day clinic may also be helpful.
Support your son in everyday life, that can also improve the situation (little media consumption, a lot of exercise, consistency in upbringing, balanced diet, ...).
Report after the conversation on Monday!

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Re: child should be expelled from school! NOT TEACHABLE

answer fromkati1976 on May 6th, 2016, 11:56 am

Hello

I would also recommend going to a day clinic. That helps him and you as a family.

After that I would try to get him a school escort.

All the best

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But the question is also: what will the school do until the boy one

answer fromMarianna81 on May 6th, 2016, 12:28 pm

Get a place in the day clinic? This can take months to get your turn.

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Re: The question is also: what will the school do until the boy turns up

answer fromIngeA on May 6th, 2016, 1:29 pm

Even so, the school cannot expel the child from school. We have compulsory schooling. What other school should the boy go to? And situations like this shouldn't be new to a special needs school in particular, it's part of their normal range of tasks.

LG Inge

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the question arises again:

answer frommuddle mess on May 6th, 2016, 1:40 pm

which special school, which special focus

if necessary, something has to be changed here - it is quite possible that a special school language cannot do justice to an e-child

since compulsory schooling cannot be canceled, the following is possible:

short-term training
integration helpers
Exclusion from school up to expulsion from school as a regulatory measure, but then the child has to go somewhere else
psychiatric examination / hospital stay, but then the child is SICK and may be trained by the school for the sick


I also ask myself: what has already been done, what measures have been taken by the school and parents? how does the cooperation between school and parents' house work? what does the child say why it acts like this?
have external diagnostic and help systems been used?

LG

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Re: the question arises again:

answer fromCharcoal on May 6th, 2016, 4:34 pm

Special school - which special needs? What is the diagnosis of your child?

Then - it is a long way to go before a child is expelled from school. It is not that easy. First there are talks, then a school support conference is called, where teachers, parents, youth welfare office take part (at least it was the case with my son), then there are hourly, then daily exclusions from lessons, but also only before other alternatives are tested were like changing to another class. So don't let yourself get mad anytime soon!

So either half of the information is missing here or your son's school is taking the wrong path.

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Re: But the question is also: what will the school do until the boy turns up

answer fromkati1976 on May 6th, 2016, 8:48 pm

If the school takes this step, a lot must have happened.

The school can exclude him from classes; the school has this right

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Re: child should be expelled from school! NOT TEACHABLE

answer fromSindarella on May 7th, 2016, 3:30 p.m.

First of all, it depends on which state you are in.
A first possibility would be for the school to try to do the MSD with us. Then a specialist comes to the school and looks at the behavior. This is followed by further steps that he suggests.
It is also possible to apply for a school guide. Here you have to contact the youth welfare office yourself and fight for it.
There are schools for educational assistance in larger cities, that would also be an idea.
A school psychologist turned on by the school could refer you to a child psychiatric facility. That sounds tough, but it might help. Treatment takes place there after admission for several weeks or months - also as a day clinic.

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Re: child should be expelled from school! NOT TEACHABLE

answer fromBenedicts on May 7th, 2016, 10:23 pm

As someone wrote above - there is compulsory schooling, for now. I've heard before that it was lifted as part of disciplinary measures - high school student sells drugs - but with a first grader, no.

And what you describe, such behavioral problems - I always thought that schools were there for just such children?

Maybe he's at the wrong special school.

Listen to what exactly they accuse him of, ask the school for alternatives, and then you have to look. But I understand you, such accusations throw you out of your shoes as a mother, especially when there is something to it.

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There are exceptions for compulsory schooling

answer fromand on May 8th, 2016, 5:56 pm

Compulsory schooling only applies to school-age children. Children who cannot attend school (e.g. severely mentally handicapped children) are exempt from compulsory schooling. According to the AP, the said child is not eligible for school, so the exemption from compulsory schooling applies.

What will become of the child, if not even (state) special institutions want to take it, is written in the stars. Perhaps there are private institutions where one could still try.

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HELP ..

answer frommuddle mess on May 8th, 2016, 6:28 pm

"Mentally handicapped children" ARE eligible for schooling ... that was hard fought for and also for these children (since 1978) schooling is compulsory!

LG

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Re: child should be expelled from school! NOT TEACHABLE

answer fromPia-Lotta on May 8th, 2016, 6:54 pm

How did it come about that the boy is not considered schoolable? What diagnosis did the pediatrician / child psychologist make? What measures have been taken so far? Of course, the school is allowed to exclude children who are not suitable for school, at least for a period of time other meaningful activities until they are (again) able to take part in lessons in a school. " So something urgently needs to be done to make it possible for the little ones to take part in the lessons. And the parents have to take this into their own hands and fight to ensure that the child receives the necessary therapy.
LG; Pia-Lotta

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Re: HELP ..

answer fromand on May 8th, 2016, 11:30 p.m.

Yes, you can definitely judge whether a child is eligible for school or not.
Even if you have never seen anything like that in your tiny little worldview - the fact is that there ARE such severe disabilities, diseases or behavioral disorders that make schooling impossible, even for special institutions, so that compulsory schooling no longer applies. Of course, these are exceptional cases, but in the case of the AP, experts on site have apparently decided that.

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Re: HELP ..

answer fromIngeA on May 9th, 2016, 5:40 am

No school can decide that. This requires a detailed report from a child psychiatric clinic or an SPC. Even the YES cannot make such a decision without an expert opinion.
We do not know what has happened so far, but purely from the time, the child is in 1st grade, I cannot imagine that "everything" has already been tried: another focus of support, return to an SVE, school support, occasional schooling in a child psychiatric clinic, schooling in a corresponding boarding school with a focus on education ... That's what comes to mind, I'm sure there is more.

Either the school is trying to put the mother under pressure with the formulation, or the mother has misunderstood something.
If z. B. is invited to an interview because the child is "not schoolable", that does not mean that the child is expelled from school and that the school, the YES, has no other ideas.
Referring back to school would now go in the 1st grade even for the rest of the school year to create time for diagnosis and therapy and then to go back to the first grade in the next school year. Precisely because the mother writes that the child is not really coming along.
And there, too, is the question: Why doesn't the child come with you? Because of his behavior, or is he acting BECAUSE he is overwhelmed? Actually, the pace at the special school should be adapted to the child, not the other way around.

LG Inge

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answer fromBath frog on May 9th, 2016, 8:19 am

First of all, I would go to an SPC as an inpatient and address the problem with child psychiatry.

In my opinion, he is not yet ready for school or at the wrong special school. The right focus should be emotional-social.

I would also look for a good child psychiatrist and arrange behavioral therapy. The child psychiatrist can decide whether medication is necessary for support.

Personally, I am not a fan of youth welfare and family support, I take care of myself.

My son is also a special school child, had a massive speech development delay despite 3 years of logo in the integration kindergarten, also ergo because of holding a pen. Now, after almost 2 years, trial lessons are going to the regular school in June.

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Re: This is apparently another posting ...

answer fromMijou on May 9th, 2016, 10:42 am

... in which everyone thinks a lot and tries to help, but the AP no longer looks in at all. The interest in help doesn't seem to be that great.

@youngmami: A lot of questions were asked, for example which funding opportunities you have used so far. If you are still reading here, please post something about it.

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@and

answer frommuddle mess on May 10th, 2016, 7:24 pm

I did not claim that I can judge schoolability ..
But your formulation was general and suggested that mentally (severely) disabled people were generally exempted from compulsory schooling.

it is not so.
exceptional cases (and these are literally individual "fates")
are possible, but can only be achieved after long diagnostic and funding processes.

With the first grader (!) in the outbound posting, I don't see this exception as a given

LG

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Re: @and

answer fromand on May 12, 2016, 12:45 p.m.

I know of cases in which it was already clear in the special education kindergarten (supervisor key 1: 3 plus individual supervisor for very special children) that they would never be able to attend school.

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answer fromMaroulein on May 21, 2016, 4:33 pm

Hello
My little one could not be taught in the first year of school either - but she ran away from school, if necessary on socks, no one could hold her there - we tried everywhere, at some places we were seriously laughed at, neither the youth welfare office nor the district center ( to which the YES referred us wanted to help)
We have the school psychological service, they referred us to a school refusal clinic, there it was completely tested, after which a treatment concept was drawn up, it was promoted by the school psychological service, after a more or less turbulent primary school with some pretty bad grades she is now at a normal comprehensive school and is even best in class in some subjects (she has ADD, autistic spectrum, LRS and arithmetic weaknesses (the support has brought enormous benefits), with above-average IQ values)

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Re: @and

answer fromPelopeia on May 23, 2016, 10:22 am

certainly, children who have a high level of care will also be schooled. That goes up to 1: 1 (1 student - 1 teacher).
Has to do with the right to education (and connected with it the right to learn and to live)

If schooling is understood as going to school, then there are children who cannot / do not have to.
But: Every school-age child is required to attend school - in principle.
There are schools for the sick, teachers who come to hospital wards, and of course home tuition.

In very topical situations, there is the possibility to temporarily suspend compulsory schooling. (e.g. if a schoolgirl is pregnant) But this is not a permanent solution

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